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Omega 3 6 9: Why it’s not Better?

by Vin Kutty, MS on September 17, 2010

You already know about Omega-3 if you’re reading this.

But you’ve also heard a little bit about Omega-6 and Omega-9. They’re supposed to be good for you.

  • Omega-3 is essential for survival.
  • Omega-6 is also essential for survival.
  • Omega-9 is NOT essential.

You DO NOT need to eat Omega-9 fatty acids. Period.

Omega 3 6 9 from Nordic Natural

If anyone tells you Omega-9 must be consumed through foods, run, don’t walk, from them.

And if they tell you Omega-9 must be taken as a supplement, run even faster!

If you can roll up a newspaper and smack them upside the head before you start running, that’d be very nice. Thank you.

Makes you wonder why so many supplements boast Omega 3 6 9 on the label.

The human body is capable of making its own Omega-9 from other fats, so you don’t need to eat it.

Besides, Olive oil is full of Omega-9.

OK, how about Omega-6, then?

Well, Omega-6 is essential. People have died from Omega-6 deficiency, but that was a century ago.

In the last few decades, our diets have dramatically changed. Just about every food we eat has Omega-6 in it.

Omega-6 is everywhere.

  • French fries? Yes, they’re fried in vegetable oils full of Omega-6.
  • Snacks & Chips? Yup, them too.
  • Cookies? Check.
  • Fried chicken? Oh yea, tons of Omega-6 in there.
  • Milk and eggs? Yes, they’re even in there.
  • Meats? There’s plenty of Omega-6 in meats.

Why does just about everything have Omega-6 in it? Well, that’s because you need oils to cook and the cheapest oils are corn oil and soy oil. And these two oils are loaded with Omega-6.
omega 3 6 9 - corn oil is rich in Omega-6
But more Omega-6 is a good thing, right?

No. Not at all.

A little bit of Omega-6 is good. But too much Omega-6 is a disaster for your health.

We’ve gone from eating equal parts Omega-3 and Omega-6 to eating 20 times more Omega-6.

Our body is used to equal parts of these two good fats. But when you skew the ratio of these fats, then the problems begin.
Problems like obesity, arthritis, depression etc.

If there is so much Omega-6 in our diet, why are there Omega-6 supplements?

My point exactly!

Why is Omega 3 6 9 bad for you?

It’s bad because Omega-3 and Omega-6 fats compete. They compete for the same enzymes and they compete for position in your body’s tissues.
Omega 3 6 9 is often sold as Triple Omega
Think about it like musical chairs.

If you have 20 girls and 1 boy playing musical chairs, chances are the boy will lose.

You have one cell. Twenty Omega-6 and one Omega-3. Who do you think is going to sit in that chair?

Yes, Omega-6 wins almost all the time, even though your cells need BOTH Omega-3 and Omega-6 equally. The essential Omega-3 gets pushed out. This means you could be eating Omega-3 but your body is not feeling the benefits.

Then you begin to show symptoms of Omega-3 deficiency. By this time, your health has already been compromised. You may already have dry skin, achy joints, depression or belly fat.

Oh yea, belly fat. Omega-6 likes to get stored in the middle of your body. Omega-3 on the other hand, gets stored in the brain, eyes, heart etc.

So how do you get the benefits of Omega-3? By reducing the amount of Omega-6 in your diet.

Then why on earth do supplement companies sell you Omega-6 and 9?

Because people buy it!

It’s that simple.

  • If you give someone just Omega-3. They’re happy.
  • If you give them Omega 3 6, they are happier. Because it is more.
  • If you give them Omega 3 6 9, they are thrilled. Because it is even more.

Bigger and more is better.

Omega 3 6 9 is seen as a better deal, a better value.


Omega 3 6 9 Marketing Gimmicks

I’ve seen Omega 3 6 9 marketed as:

  • “Ideal Ratio”
  • “More Complete”
  • “Full Spectrum”
  • “Triple Omega”
  • “Vegetarian-friendly”

Don’t fall for it!

The next time someone tells you Omega 3 6 9 is better than just Omega-3, RUN! Run far and run fast!

A dirty little corporate secret…
A few years ago, I did focus group testing for a very large tuna company.

They wanted to get into the fish oil business. They knew nothing about fish oil supplements. So I helped them.

Focus groups are education for marketers. A bunch of ‘average joe’ consumers are put in a room and a moderator asks them questions, while the marketers watch from behind a one-way mirror.

In this focus group, we learned that consumers preferred Omega 3 6 9 to just Omega-3 because Omega 3 6 9 was perceived as more complete.

“I feel like I’m getting more for my money,” one unemployed construction worker said.“Isn’t Omega-6 and 9 good for me too? Why make me take 3 pills? Just combine it into one pill,” said another elderly focus group consumer.

The tuna executives listened intently and took all this in.

And they asked me to reduce the amount of EPA and DHA Omega-3 in their product and asked me to formulate a drop of corn oil and olive oil for Omega-6 and Omega-9 respectively. They thought they could charge more for it!

I couldn’t believe my ears!

I explained, disagreed and explained some more. But their minds were made up.

The consumer had spoken.

Those two uninformed and loud consumers, who had barely passed high school and had never touched a nutrition textbook, convinced a multi-billion dollar company to make an important nutrition decision that can seriously affect your health.

Dangerous!

I was disgusted.

The tuna company then convinced the buyers at Walmart, Walgreens and CVS that this product would sell because it had been ‘focus-group-tested.’

So they made this lousy product and shipped it all over the country. But a surprise waited for them.

Real consumers thought the tuna company was trying to rip them off by putting the left over oil from tuna cans into pills and reselling them!

The product never sold.

Sweet irony!


Author Vin Kutty is an expert on Omega 3 6 9 About the Author: Vin Kutty is OmegaVia’s Scientific Advisor and Chief Blogger. He is a nutritionist, author, and Omega-3 expert with over 20 years of experience. Email him.


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Susan March 1, 2012 at 9:52 am

Excellent article! The general public are no more than cattle and very rarely research or read nutrition! If they are saving money…then they are in!

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Christel Barlow May 7, 2012 at 8:02 am

I stumbled upon your article on “Omega 3,6,& 9: why it’s not better”

I must say Thank you ! for this very informative article !! I should have done more research before I made my purchase. I simply went by what 1 person said, that I needed to take 3 and 6. While at the store I saw the “3,6 & 9″ and thought, why not get all 3 in one…so I did. I’ve been taking them for about a month now. While in the kitchen this morning, the thought occurred to me, what effect does this 3,6,9 have on my body? What good effects are coming from it? SO I started looking up what information I could on it. Your site was the 3rd one I clicked on. And I must say, I was a rather shocked! Didn’t expect to read what you had to say. But, Thank you! I will make the changes necessary now. Good lesson learned…Research, Read, Act…before I take any more supplements.

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Omegavia May 7, 2012 at 1:27 pm

Hi Christel – glad you found the article useful. A LOT of people do exactly what you did. If Omega-3 is good, then, Omega-6 and Omega-9 must be better. Not necessarily. If you really want to feel the benefits of Omega-3, you will need to reduce consumption of Omega-6 from industrial seed oils like corn and soy oils. Don’t worry about Omega-9 – your body can make its own, so it’s not an essential fat. Besides, Olive oil is chock full of Omega-9, so no need to supplement with it.
- Vin Kutty

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Nelcine Roland May 27, 2012 at 3:56 pm

can this cause high blood pressure?

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Omegavia May 28, 2012 at 5:48 am

Hi Nelcine – by ‘this,’ I assume you mean taking a supplement that also contains Omega-6 and 9. The answer is ‘probably not.’ Omega-3 can reduce blood pressure a little bit. Taking a 3-6-9 supplement, especially in doses that most people take, probably has no effect on blood pressure.
- Vin Kutty

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Omegavia June 10, 2012 at 1:54 pm

Hi Indra – if you already have the Omega-3-6-9 products, go ahead and finish the bottle. But don’t buy it again! Next time, get a product that contains ONLY Omega-3 fatty acid. Omega-6 competes with and reduces the efficacy of Omega-3. So why take something that cancels itself out?! And Omega-9 is not essential at all.
- Vin Kutty

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Robin June 18, 2012 at 11:55 am

Great article!

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maria ibarra July 2, 2012 at 2:52 pm

Hi my name is Maria Ibarra. I wanted to know if the vitamins of omega3-6-9 are good for me. I am on a juice diet. I do 2 vegetable juices a day and 1 salad with protein a day. Total of 3 meals a day. I’m trying to loose weight and body fat. Can you tell me if this is good or not? Thank you.

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Omegavia July 2, 2012 at 4:52 pm

Hi Maria – Omega-3-6-9 are not the right choice. I would much rather you took a simple Omega-3 product with just fish oil. Juice diets are dangerous! Don’t have the space to go into the reasons here, but it is a bad, bad idea! You will NOT lose weight and keep it off with your juice diet. It’s fine to eat plenty of vegetables and fruits, but if you want to be healthy AND lose weight, I suggest you eat whole foods – vegetables, meats, fruits, eggs and nuts. Skip the sugar, refined grains and processed foods. I’m guessing this is not what you wanted to hear. But I hope this is eventually helpful.
- Vin Kutty

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donna arseneau July 11, 2012 at 1:49 pm

I was wondering about two things.
1. I was told that this was good for fighting flu like systems , is this true
2. What are some side effects? I am feeling tired lately does this cause that?

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Omegavia July 11, 2012 at 4:54 pm

Hi Donna – I have not seen any good studies that say fish oil can help fight flu. Fish oil cannot increase tiredness or lethargy. Lack of energy could be caused by several things including diet, sleep, thyroid imbalance etc.
- Vin Kutty

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Pmt September 13, 2012 at 4:22 pm

Hi. I have been prescribed a high dose of naudicelle daily for Pmt. From your article it seems I would be just as well eating a bag of potato chips every day.

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Vin Kutty October 1, 2012 at 12:24 am

Hi – Evening Primrose oil has a lot of gamma-linoleic acid, which can be good for you, if you take it with a lot of Omega-3. Your formula just does not have enough Omega-3 in it to truly help you. It’s better than potato chips, but not as good as salmon.
- Vin Kutty

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Mike September 29, 2012 at 8:25 pm

I have to say thank you! I have always taken Omega 3 fatty acid supplements, but recently I told to myself “when my bottle of omega 3 gonna be empty, why not to buy a bottle of omega 3-6-9 instead?”. Then I came across your article and guess what? You just safe me some money!

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Vin Kutty September 30, 2012 at 9:45 pm

Thank you, Mike. Omega-3-6-9 products are sometimes cheaper to produce than plain Omega-3 products, especially if the formula has mostly dirt-cheap vegetable oils. So there is a financial incentive as well. I’m still aghast that reputable companies sell 3-6-9 formulas.
- Vin Kutty

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Alex October 13, 2012 at 11:33 am

I’m sorry but can you give some proof links that omega 3 and omega 6 can’t complement right? Why must one believe you but not some reputable companies? I’m in doubt. But thanks anyway: you’ve just stopped my from buying this one http://www.walmart.com/ip/Natrol-Omega-3-6-9-Complex-Supplement-1-CT/10312730

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Vin Kutty October 17, 2012 at 5:24 pm

Hi Alex – Omega-3 and Omega-6 certainly DO complement each other. Your body needs BOTH. But it needs both at roughly equal levels. Your body will still function well at twice or even four times as much Omega-6 as Omega-3. So a little Omega-6 in excess is not a bad thing. The problem is that our diets now contain 20 times or in some cases, 50 times as much Omega-6 than Omega-3. This dangerous imbalance pushes your body in the direction of having too much inflammation.

Links for you:
http://ebm.rsmjournals.com/content/233/6/674.full.pdf
http://www.dovepress.com/the-western-diet-and-lifestyle-and-diseases-of-civilization-peer-reviewed-article-RRCC-MVP

And for what it’s worth, I formulated that product you were thinking of buying. How ironic! I worked at Natrol 10-15 years ago. I did not want to launch that product. I (and others in the research and development) complained that too much Omega-6 was dangerous and that we should not sell a product with Omega-6 to a population that already consumes too much Omega-6. But we were overruled by sales/marketing – we were told ‘Consumers think Omega-3-6-9 is better than just Omega-3. Market data proves this. So make us a 3-6-9 or we will get someone else to do it for us.’ They wanted to make money. And so did Walmart. They both won. I lost. Consumers lost. Science lost.
- Vin Kutty

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lucia October 19, 2012 at 6:17 am

wow! its hard to know who to believe now a days! i just finished reading an article last month of why 3 6 and 9 taken in a blend were better for you! lol now after reading this article which made complete sense i have to do more research! lmao I guess the quest for health is never over! Thank you for this well written and thought provoking article!

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Vin Kutty October 19, 2012 at 11:47 pm

Hi Lucia – like I say in the post, Omega-9 is not essential. Omega-3 and 6 are essential for survival. But we get such a large excess of Omega-6 in our regular diet that supplementing with it is like taking sugar capsules – don’t need any more than we already eat.
- Vin Kutty

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Mehrin November 11, 2012 at 1:57 pm

Hello,
I am 26 years old and 13 kg under weight. i have dark circles under my eyes. i am also facing problem with my memory.i look very unhealthy. i don’t eat junk food very often. it’s not that i eat very less, but i think that my body does not absorb all the food value i eat (i don’t eat junk food very often. generally i eat rice, chicken curry,and cooked vegetable). So, to gain weight and to improve my skin and memory i have started taking Omega-3 and multivitamin tablets. Now here are my questions:
1. Does Omega-3 help to gain weight?
2. Does it brighten skin tone?
3. Does it help to prevent or cure wrinkle and fine lines?
4. What should be the dose and time of taking Omega-3 for my problem?
5. Does any Vitamin(A, C, E etc.) tablet conflicts with Omega-3?

Thank you.

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Vin Kutty November 12, 2012 at 9:14 pm

Hi Mehrin – look into a diet called paleo diet. Vegetables and chicken are fine. I would add more meats and a little nuts and fruits. Skip the rice and grains and avoid all vegetable oils – except olive oil or coconut oil.

You cannot outrun a poor diet with supplements. Omega-3 by themselves cannot reverse malnutrition. But taking a multivitamin and Omega-3 is a good idea. I would target 1000 mg of Omega-3 per day. Vitamins do not conflict with Omega-3 at all. Omega-3 can help with skin tone, but I have not see any evidence that shows it can remove or cure wrinkles or fine lines.

As for how long before you notice any benefits – well, usually in 4-6 weeks, but your low weight is likely caused by a nutrient poor diet, so supplementing with Omega-3 is unlikely to make much difference.
- Vin Kutty

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Mehrin November 11, 2012 at 2:40 pm

I have more questions… how long should i take Omega-3 capsule to get result? And I forgot to mention.. i have asthma and high dust allergy. What kind of improvement is possible by Omega-3 in this case? is Cod liver oil better than omega-3 capsule for me?

I want to thank you for your article. i hope this article will help people to be conscious about taking any supplement without having knowledge about it.

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choma November 21, 2012 at 2:54 am

thanks for your article i bought omega 3 6 9 for my mum yet she complains of pains on her left shoulder, which i knw is a symptom of heart atack. My question is why the pain when the omega is supposd to do the trick?should i buy only omega 3 and stop the omega 3 6 9?

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Vin Kutty November 21, 2012 at 9:43 pm

Choma – if you suspect that your mother is having a heart attack, for heaven’s sake, please stop everything else (including asking me!) and CALL THE AMBULANCE! Get her to the hospital immediately!
- Vin Kutty

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Renee December 10, 2012 at 12:24 pm

Thank you so much for this article! Well I certainly feel silly! Your article was describing my thought process to a ‘t’ in regard to the 3-6-9 formula as an ignorant consumer! But recently i came across a great Omega 3 only capsule (from New Zealand mussels) at a small pharmacy which I decided to buy when the pharmacists said just what you are saying about 6 being in the diet already. The concentrated O3 is considerably more expensive so I just take one little gelcap as opposed to the 300mg, 2 gelcap serving (make the bottle last longer). So it’s nice to see more supporting info on this topic–thank you!
It sounds as if one never ate out or baked goods what not, then MAYBE the O6 would be taken. Now I do have a question for you Mr. Kutty, I am currently breastfeeding and have taken the omegas thru pregnancy and the last year of my sons life. I took the daily serving as usual wondering if I should increase for the 2nd life living off it but didn’t. I craved baked goods toward the end of pregnancy (and still do a lil). Sounds like switching to O3 alone is going to benefit me greatly. Do you think I should take the full serving amount (or more even) while still breastfeeding then? Much appreciated!

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Vin Kutty December 10, 2012 at 8:57 pm

Hi Renee – please, please, please increase your DHA consumption! Aim for 1000 mg of DHA per day. Both you and your child desperately need it. Your child’s brain does most of its growing in the first couple of years. And you need DHA for that!
- Vin Kutty

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mitzi havlik December 13, 2012 at 3:07 pm

Fish oil is post to reduce high chlosetrol it help me i reduce mine all way down where it post to be so don’t tell me it is bad or it don’t work it does.
Mitzi

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lobster December 26, 2012 at 3:01 am

Hi,
I read from some of your resources about the importance of omega 6 and 3 ratio. Its amazing how a well balanced diet can suppress inflammation in rheumatoid arthritic patients or reduce cell proliferation in CA patients. Thank you for your blog, my parents and grandparents appreciated it so much as well.

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Vin Kutty December 26, 2012 at 6:53 pm

Thank you for the comment.

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mzzlee December 27, 2012 at 1:01 pm

thank you vin cutty for this great piece. I am so happy i ran into it. i googled for help, and it popped up. i have the same omega 3,6,9 in your first photo. i remember hearing on a medical radio program that 6 and 9 are not needed in supplement form. i FINALLY came here to learn more. Your piece was excellent. ( i shall tweet it in a minute) i am heading out to get somethin’ else…any recommendations. i plan to get some cod liver oil (my cousin recommended it for my newly-painful knees)…i’m open to any additional recs… thanks!

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Vin Kutty December 27, 2012 at 8:17 pm

Thank you, mzzlee. Get any high potency or pharmaceutical grade fish oil that’s been third-part tested. Can’t go wrong.
- Vin Kutty

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Adrian Fry January 12, 2013 at 12:12 am

Really well written article thank you. It’s amazing u also take the time to answer so many peoples questions!
I have taken omega 3 for years, 2 years back I swapped to 3,6 and 9 because i got talked into it by the sales person… Now I feel a little silly.
It makes me trust my local Holland and Barrett’s less!

So my question is which makes would you recommend? Secondlyhow much so you recommend and how is omega 3 best taken (ie with a meal , split into multiple points in the day or a single dose?

Many thanks

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Vin Kutty January 14, 2013 at 1:16 am

Hi Adrian – thank you. Given the volume of readers and comments, other nutritionists are starting to answer some of these questions.

I suggest you get a concentrated or pharmaceutical grade fish oil. Get at least 1000 mg of Omega-3 per day and take it with the largest meal of the day.

- Vin Kutty

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Nilesh February 17, 2013 at 9:45 pm

Hi Vin
Thanks for the insight on omega 3,6,9. On a related topic, what is your take on krill vs fish oil. Do you think krill oil work better at reducing high cholesterol levels than fish oil?

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Vin Kutty February 17, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Bel February 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm

Hi, I’m so grateful I found your site your information about Omega 3-6-9 is very helpful. I will just finish this 1 bottle I bought & wont buy again. I would appreciate very if you could give me information about these vit supplements my best friend is selling me. I am so thrilled with their benefits according to the company’s brochure of information but another friend told me these 3 have very bad effects ti the health esp. bec I have rheumatoid arthritis. These 3 vit-supplements are;
1. Harp Seal Oil
2. Cordyceps with American Gensing
3. Pro Q10
I am really love to buy these products bec seemed like they’re fantastic but frightened bec I dont know anything about them. Please I beg you help me what to do. I would greatly appreciate your advise.

Thank you very much.

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Vin Kutty February 26, 2013 at 8:08 pm

Bel – please DO NOT take Harp seal oil – they are high up the food chain and will contain a lot of environmental toxins. Bad idea!

I’m mixed on American Ginseng. CoQ10 is fine if you are concerned about heart health.

- Vin Kutty

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Bel February 27, 2013 at 12:52 am

Vin, thank you so much I thought you wont reply . Ok no harp seal, & the american gensing is mixed with cordyceps which they said is  very2 good. What made me  confused is that I read cordyceps not for good if you have autoimmune disease like rheumatoid arthritis, but why is cordyceps good for those who have cancer & also good for hepatitis b? Is not cancer an autoimmune disease?
1. Is Q10 really no side effects whatsoever? Isn’t Omega 3 good also for heart disease?
2. What do you think of SISU Omega 3. The label says: fish oil – 1000mg ( body oils of anchovy, sardine & salmon) providing 400mg EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) & 200mg DHA ( docosahexaenoic acid).
Non-med. ingredient: tocopherol (natural vit.E). Capsule shell: glycerin, purified water, gelatin. Dosage 3 capsules daily.

Thank you very much. Your web is such a rare gem, good & non-biased info. I will wait for your reply before makng final decision. God bless!

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Vin Kutty March 1, 2013 at 6:38 pm

Hi Bel – CoQ10 has no or little side effects. Yes, Omega-3 is taken primarily for heart health. The SISU Omega-3 looks OK – decent concentration of Omega-3.

- Vin Kutty

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Bel February 27, 2013 at 5:21 am

Vin, sorry but just one more thing what CoQ10 product is the best . I’m here in Canada & I always see SISU brand. I found their link & they have 2 Q10 products, one has vit. E, flax,,, added. Which one is the best? Can I use Omega 3 & Q10 together & take oralky together?

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Vin Kutty March 1, 2013 at 6:39 pm

Yes, you may take CoQ10 and Omega-3 together. I have no specific recommendation for Canadian CoQ10 brands.

- Vin Kutty

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Lynne March 3, 2013 at 10:00 pm

Thanks for this informative site which confirms other information I have read about Omega 6 and 9. I recently read about Omega 7 as a possible agent for reducing hs-CRP, lowering LDL and raising HDL. Recommended dose was 420 mg purified Omega 7 daily with the caveat to ensure it is PURIFIED, palmitoleic acid (not palmitic acid). Can you comment on Omega 7? Is it taken in addition to Omega 3? Is there a natural source that can provide the appropriate daily requirement? Many thanks in advance.

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Vin Kutty March 5, 2013 at 5:36 pm

Hi Lynne – I have some unpublished data on Omega-7 that says some of these good things as well. You are right, the key is having purified Omega-7. Seabuckthorn has Omega-7 but there may be fatty acids in there that need to be removed before it is safe in large quantities. While the science is pointing in the right direction, we don’t have ENOUGH to make me recommend Omega-7 with comfort. I think we are still a couple of years away from that. Macadamia oil is a good source of Omega-7 too. Yes, ideally, it should be taken with Omega-3. Nothing removes the need for Omega-3 – it is essential.

Bottom-line: very promising but too early to comfortably recommend.

- Vin Kutty

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Lakshmi March 10, 2013 at 4:05 pm

Recently I read in paper that omega 6 helps in correcting wrongly formed sperms and thus helps in reproduction.So I bought Naturemade fish oil , Omega 3-6-9 and gave it to my son. He takes only one softgel a day.
Did I do the right thing? OR should I ask him to stop the capsules. I am worried. Please advise me.

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Vin Kutty March 12, 2013 at 12:17 am

Hi Lakshmi – he should stop taking Omega-3-6-9 and start taking a product that is ONLY Omega-3. Preferably one with a lot more Omega-3 and more DHA. DHA is critical for sperm motility. Make sure he is taking a good multivitamin, Vitamin C and E. Cutting back on sugar, wheat and vegetable oils also helps.

- Vin Kutty

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jamie March 12, 2013 at 3:28 am

hi i am currently taking omega 369 and every time i take it my body start
itching, i take because of my skin and my hair is dry, so my question is do i have to stop taking it, also i dont like eating fish can i take just omega 3.

please advise me

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Vin Kutty March 13, 2013 at 2:59 am

Hi Jamie – I suspect you are either allergic to the product or something in it. I’d stop it and take an Omega-3-only product.

- Vin Kutty

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Marie March 19, 2013 at 7:49 pm

Hi Vin , this is to Jamie on March 12 2013, you can order Omega 3 oil developed on Canada from a company called Three Farmers the oil is made from seed and just google Three Farmers.ca and the oil is called Camelina oil. You can cook with it as the high point is over 400 degrees but because we want the best for our bodies we use it on salads or on our cooked vegetables .

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Paula McClure March 12, 2013 at 4:43 am

I started taking a product call Zeal in September of 2012. It is a plant based whole foods supplement that contains 60 mg of Omega 3 and 1,155 mg of Omega 6. After 5 weeks on this product my Myeloperoxidase dropped from 497 to 406 and my Fibrinogen dropped from 399 to 332. my CRP was already 1.0 and it dropped to .8. I eat no fish, but consume a serving of mixed nuts daily. I eat pretty healthy, and I don’t have any oils or processed foods. According to your comments, I would be getting an uneven amount of Omega 3 and 6 which might cause inflammation, but I have seen nothing but benefits. (My LDL-P even dropped from 1663 to 1269). I happen to have a 4/4 Apolipoprotein E Genotype so I have to be pretty careful with fats, including good fats. I am just starting to learn about eating for the gene type I have. Do you know anything about the APO E gene and the effects of Omega 3 and -6? I know if I increase my Omega 3 my LDL-C and LDL-P increases. I have met several others with a 4/4 APO E gene and I have advised them to take only 1 g of Omega 3. (I learned this from The Perfect Gene Diet). Any knowledge you have on this subject would be greatly appreciated.

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Vin Kutty March 13, 2013 at 3:12 am

Hi Paula – the product you are taking has a 20:1 ratio of Omega-6 to Omega-3. For most people, this would be disastrous. I’m doing everything humanly possible to get my ratio down to 4:1 or 2:1. Not eating processed foods is a good idea and eating some nuts every day is an OK idea too. But absolutely nothing that I have read supports a 20:1 Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio. As far back as human history goes, a 20:1 ratio is an oddity and has only become more common in the last couple of decades and with grave consequences.

I am not a doctor and not qualified to give medical advice, but having two Apo E4 alleles puts you a higher risk for some diseases, as you well know. If you are on an anti-inflammatory diet, 1 gram of Omega-3 ought to suffice.

- Vin Kutty

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charles March 23, 2013 at 1:26 am

Hi,
Did you undestand biologiical?
It is not a “20 girls and 1 boy” game for omega 369. You totally made a wrong concepts!

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Vin Kutty March 23, 2013 at 7:31 pm

Charles – I was trying to simply the concept of excess linoleic acid per substrate, in this case, cell membranes. Unless I misunderstood your point…

- Vin Kutty

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Ahmed March 24, 2013 at 2:05 am

Eye opening. You sir are a great example for many companies out there. You have a strong ethical and moral sense and for me you have made a difference in my health awareness. Keep it up

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Gary March 27, 2013 at 2:55 am

Hello,

I began taking 3-6-9 two months ago. Can this combination put a person at risk for a stroke, heart disease or a heart attack? I’m going off of it NOW since reading this article, but I do wonder if I could have done some damage in the mean time? If so, would the damage be reversible? Thanks for this very informative article.

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Vin Kutty March 27, 2013 at 11:23 pm

Hi Gary – it should not put you at additional risk, but I’m not a doctor so I can’t tell you what it will do. My suggestion is to switch to an Omega-3-only supplement. Taking Omega-3-6-9 supplements is not like cigarette smoking! It’s just a somewhat poorly formulated supplement. Is it risky? No. Are there better formulas out there? Tons.

- Vin Kutty

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Kari Kybele April 29, 2013 at 7:59 pm

After bariatric surgery (6 years ago) at age 65, my health became perfect. I just had another metabolic panel done, and everything is perfect. I am able to eat almost no sugar, i severely limit fats and oils and processed foods, and i take LOTs of supplements, vitamins and minerals. I need more protein than the average person, so i snack on nuts and seeds and drink a high protein shake daily (whey). With this diet and my age, i wonder if i get enough Omega 6. I take the omega 3-6-9 (higher O3) and seem to be thriving on it. What would u suggest in my case and for others who have had this wonderful surgery?

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Vin Kutty April 30, 2013 at 11:26 pm

Oh boy.

Lots of red flags in your comment. You may disagree/dislike, but since you asked…

1. It is rare that one’s health becomes perfect after bariatric surgery. Although you can minimize issues if you micromanage with customized diet and supplements.
2. Glad you are able to avoid sugar – that’s wonderful. But avoiding fats (especially saturated and Omega-3 fats) if your body is capable of handing them is a very bad idea.
3. Minimizing processed foods is a great idea.
4. Instead of the whey drink, see if you can tolerate egg yolks – lots of nutrients in egg yolks that you cant get anywhere else other than liver.
5. I am certain you are getting enough Omega-6 from nuts and seeds. I’d guess that you’re getting more than you need.
6. So drop the 3-6-9 supplement and find one that has just Omega-3.

Hope this helps.

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Earl smith May 1, 2013 at 10:59 am

What are ths toxic effects of omega 3-6-9 ?

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Vin Kutty May 1, 2013 at 6:24 pm

Hi Earl – the toxic effects comes from taking additional Omega-6 on top of a diet that is already too high in Omega-6. Omega-6 in excess is highly inflammatory. Most people get 10 to 20 times more Omega-6 than is needed, so to supplement Omega-6 on top of that is dangerous.

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Want2nomore May 10, 2013 at 1:21 pm

I have a few questions. I am in the process of getting tested for adult ADD and the psychiatrist told me on the first visit I should buy the 3-6-9 combo. He insisted that just 3 wasn’t enough and that 6 was the one that would really help with concentration and focus (seeing as that’s my biggest problem). So I went to the store and bought a bottle that even had “40% more EPA/DHA”. So on the bottle it tells me to take 2-3 1200mg softgels twice a day. I don’t really eat that much fried food but I mean, it’s not like you can completely avoid that stuff right… And I really eat a lot of fish, salmon especially, and I tend to eat it raw since I’m such a fan of sashimi….. So what I’m wondering is, how bad is it for me to be taking these softgels? I haven’t been taking them for very long and I can’t say I really feel a difference anyway. But then again, I’m not sure what I’m suppose to “feel”. I’m a 24 year old female in good health and at the weight I’m supposed to be for my age and height. So should I just stop taking the softgels? Are they any good? Will they really help me focus and concentrate? I don’t like taking things that aren’t good for me. Let me know what you think. Thank you and I really liked your article. :)

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Vin Kutty May 11, 2013 at 9:39 pm

Hi Want2nomore – what can I say, the psychiatrist is wrong. Yes, Omega-6 is essential for human survival, but telling (insisting?) a patient to take more Omega-6 while we’re all already drowning in Omega-6 (and paying dearly for it) is just sad. What you need is an Omega-3-only product. Sure, that sounds self-serving. But may I request that you not buy OmegaVia? Buy any other brand that’s pharma grade and high EPA like Minami or RenewLife. Omega-3 alone may not help you, as you say you eat a lot of sashimi, so you’re probably not Omega-3 deficient.

So are you hurting yourself with the 3-6-9, well, probably not a lot. But, I still can’t get over it!

At least you’re getting some extra Omega-3 – that’s good. It will take a few weeks to saturate and make itself felt, assuming your condition was caused by Omega-3 deficiency, which I doubt. So it may be time to look under the hood, so to speak. Consider shifting to a whole foods only diet, like Paleo. Consider eating egg yolk, liver, more veggies etc. Consider giving up sugar and wheat. Consider the cost of not.

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Lebo gumede May 11, 2013 at 10:32 am

Hi I have a 7year old that is not doing well at school he is not concentrating in class he loves mathematics but hates English so his after care teacher suggested me to buy him omega 3&6it and vitamin tablets will it help my son in any way

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Vin Kutty May 11, 2013 at 9:48 pm

Hi Lebo – it is possible that Omega-3 could help with concentration. I suggest you start with eliminating sugar and processed foods from his diet.

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Tatiana May 22, 2013 at 6:54 pm

Hi Vin

Thank you very much for your great article – very informative and witty.
I do love your style :). Earth population is mostly tricked by “big” companies and their advs, which appeal to greediness, but common sence.
All the best

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neetu deswal May 29, 2013 at 5:48 pm

Hi,
I have just bought this Natrol omega 3-6-9 , haven’t started taking yet . should I take them or just leave , I have been taking seacod liver oil for past 2 months , just though of switching it to this new product . I need especially for my skin and hair , what should I do ?

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Vin Kutty May 30, 2013 at 6:15 am

Hi Neetu – finish the bottle and next time buy a product that does not contain any added Omega-6.

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Jul June 6, 2013 at 1:29 pm

Hi Vin,

Thanks for continuing to monitor this thread. It seems you are the only person that thinks negatively of this combination, but glad you are.

My mom is almost 70 y.o. She has RA and takes blood pressure, RA and cholesterol meds. She has taken the 1000 mg of regular fish oil but it made her burp, she hated it. So she started taking the 3-6-9. I was talking with her one day after she was recovering from a cold and she told me she still felt bad…she was really very very tired. I told her to think about the meds she was taking…and if she had started taking anything new lately. At the time, she said she wasn’t taking anything new…she just thought she was suffering a bad RA flare up.

The middle of the night two days ago, she woke up to take her meds, and she didn’t take the 3-6-9. She woke up feeling much better and it dawned on her…this vitamin was making her feel exhausted! My mom sounded like she felt so bad and she told me she felt bad. She has been off that pill for two days and she sounds and feels great. She never thought a vitamin would make her feel so bad!!

I tried looking for bad side effects, but found nothing other than this article. But my mom almost wound up in hospital. She went to her doc and they didn’t catch it, even after she was complaining.

So beware! If you feel bad…it may be this med!

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Vin Kutty June 7, 2013 at 5:53 am

Hi Jul – sorry to hear that your mom was going through a rough patch. I don’t think it was the Omega 3-6-9 that was causing her to feel bad. It was probably something else. I still don’t think people ought to take 3-6-9 combo because we already get plenty (too much) Omega-6 from our diet and Omega-9 is not essential and there is plenty of it in olive oil anyway. So while 3-6-9 combo makes no sense to me, it won’t harm people by taking one pill per day.

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Sbutler June 24, 2013 at 8:27 pm

Dr. Oz suggest Gamma linolenic acid as a supplement. Is this also an Omega 6 that should be avoided?

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Vin Kutty June 25, 2013 at 3:44 am

Hi Sbutler – great question. Gamma linolenic acid (GLA) is an Omega-6 that can convert to either good ‘hormones’ or bad. Which fork in the road it takes depends on a lot of things, especially your diet. I think a little GLA is fine, may be even good. But taking it on a daily basis or high doses may be a bad idea. Dr. Barry Sears of Zone Diet fame has done a lot of research on this and advises people against taking it in high doses or regularly. I have a bottle of GLA around. I may take one or two pills a week. But no more.

Dr Oz recommends it for ‘fat busting’ but I haven’t seen compelling evidence for this. The real trick to fat-busting is reducing insulin level in the body by combining sugar/starch elimination with cardio + resistance exercise. Both of these techniques independently reduce insulin and lower insulin levels will ‘unlock’ your fat cells and allow your body to burn the stored fats. With high insulin levels, fat cells will remain on lock down, regardless of how little you eat or how much you exercise. All successful diets reduce insulin.

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PAPADATOU ASPASIA June 25, 2013 at 7:41 am

ευχαριστω πολυ για την ενημερωση. με προβληματισατε με το αρθρο σας για την ληψη των omega 6-9…. εχω ελκωδη κολιτιδα .ο γιατρος μου εχει συστησει αυτο το συμπληρωμα το οποιο το παιρνω εναλλαξ με το omega 3. ενα αλλο θεμα που με απασχολει ειναι η καθαροτητα του προιοντος (βαρεα μεταλλα κ.α) και πως γινεται η καλυτερη επιλογη του . η περιεκτκοτητα του σε EPA και DHA ποια πρεπει να ειναι ??????? ευχαριστω πολυ για τον χρονο σας και για τις γνωσεις σας που θα μου ειναι πολυτιμες

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Vin Kutty June 25, 2013 at 9:48 am

Αγαπητέ Παπαδάτου Ασπασία – ελκώδης κολίτιδα είναι μια φλεγμονώδης κατάσταση. Ωμέγα-3 μειώνει τη φλεγμονή. Ωμέγα-6 αυξάνει συνήθως φλεγμονή. Ωμέγα-9 δεν είναι απαραίτητη και δεν μειώνει τη φλεγμονή. Έτσι, πέραν Ωμέγα-6 θα κάνει ελκώδη κολίτιδα χειρότερα και ωμέγα-9 δεν θα βοηθήσει. Είναι πιθανό ότι ο γιατρός σας δεν έχει επίγνωση αυτού του γεγονότος. Χρειάζεται μια πολύ υψηλή σε ωμέγα-3 φόρμουλα που είναι ως επί το πλείστον EPA.

Hi Papadatou Aspasia – ulcerative colitis is an inflammatory condition. Omega-3 reduces inflammation. Omega-6 usually increases inflammation. Omega-9 is not essential and does not reduce inflammation. So excess Omega-6 will make ulcerative colitis worse and Omega-9 will not help. It is possible that your doctor is not aware of this. You need a very high Omega-3 formula that is mostly EPA.

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nates momma June 25, 2013 at 2:46 pm

Im undecided on taking a product that contains 1,155 mg of omega 6 fatty acids. It also contains 60 mg of omega 3′s. Is this too much to take in one day? This is based on a 2,000 calorie diet. I prob consume about a little more or less depending on the day. This product is like a wellness nutrition drink that has many other vitamins minerals and antioxidants. What do u think?

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Vin Kutty June 26, 2013 at 3:12 am

Hi nates momma – I’m a bit confused. Are you talking about 1155 mg Omega-3 or Omega-6. If you’re taking 1155 mg Omega-SIX and only 60 mg Omega-THREE in a supplement, as written in your comment, then that’s a disaster. Are you sure you don’t mean the other way ’round? But if you’re taking 1155 mg Omega-3 and only 60 mg Omega-6, well, that’s OK.

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nates momma June 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

Its 1,155 mg of omega 6 and 60 mg of omega 3′s. Its called Zeal. Its a powdered form that comes in a canister with a scoop. Basically one scoop has 1,155 mg of omega 6 and 60 mg of omega 3 plus other vitamins and minerals. I was about to start taking this but came accross ur website and now not sure if i should. I know a little about omega 3 but nothing of omega 6.

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Vin Kutty June 27, 2013 at 5:15 am

Hi nates momma – yours is not an Omega-3 supplement. It just happens to have a trace amount of Omega-3 in it. There may be lot of other nutrients in there, but you will need a separate Omega-3 supplement or you’ll have to eat wild salmon 3X a week.

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Vincent June 27, 2013 at 3:19 am

Thank you Sir, for your article. It’s an eye opener for me.

I am born with atopic eczema…. lately, i have started on Evening Primrose Oil (which is Omega 6) and now I am confused if I should continue to have high intake of Omega-6 from the evening primrose oil.

“Several clinical studies have demonstrated that evening primrose oil improves the itching, inflammation and scaling of eczema. ”

If omega 6 could cause inflammation, why is evening primrose oil able to reduce inflammation? It’s contradictary isn’t it?

Thanks.

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Vin Kutty June 27, 2013 at 6:30 am

Hi Vincent – Evening Primrose has a potentially useful Omega-6 called GLA. GLA can be converted to either pro-inflammatory or anti-inflammatory compounds – several factors affect which fork GLA takes. There is some evidence that says a high sugar/starch diet will force GLA into the pro-inflammatory path. It’s OK to get some GLA, but you should be taking 2000 mg of Omega-3 in addition to the Evening Primrose supplement. Look into a anti-inflammatory diet.

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Elaine July 9, 2013 at 2:08 am

Your article is very informative. I would like to know if omega 3 causes water retention in the belly and face or weight gain in the face. I asked this question because it appears that I gained weight in my face whenever I eat a meal. This never happen before. I stopped taking omega 3. I also need to mention that I took the omega 3 6 9 three times before I decided to just take the omega 3.

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Vin Kutty July 9, 2013 at 4:28 pm

Hi Elaine – there is no evidence or scientific proof that shows Omega-3 causes weight gain in belly or face. I suspect it is something else causing it – stopping Omega-3 is probably not a good idea because of all the other health benefits.

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Mia July 10, 2013 at 7:34 am

So glad I found this article I took omega 3 & I have notice less dry eyes due to lasik and no more sad syndrome. The only side effect I find is I occasionally get bleeding nose. Anyways, when my omega 3 run out I went to get another instead I bought omega 3-6-9..With omega 369 the bleeding nose stop; however, I get tight painful calves the next day. So I’m back to just omega 3.

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Vin Kutty July 17, 2013 at 3:33 am

Hi Anna – yes, that’s fine.

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Sudhakar July 24, 2013 at 6:40 pm

I am diabetic since last 2 years and I am 32 yrs old male and recently bought Omega3.6.9. By reading this article I have decided to not to by omega369 again. But can I used the bottle that what I have purchased already. I am taking 2 pills a day in the night after food. BTW, is fish oil diffferent from only omega 3? which one is good for diabetic people. Fish oil OR omega 3? Thanks a lot in advance Vin Kutty.

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Vin Kutty July 24, 2013 at 7:44 pm

Hi Sudhakar – yes, you may finish the existing bottle. Fish oil contains Omega-3, just like milk contains calcium. It’s the Omega-3 that you’re after.

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Maryann August 21, 2013 at 1:57 pm

OMG!!! I have been taking Omega 369 combo for years!!! Went on a no fat / low fat diet and used them as supplements… I have since put my foster child who is FAS & a 2 1/2 months prem who can take info in but we don’t know how to get it out on a daily dose…. I was advised by a reflexologist who assured me that the two together would produce amazing results. Sorry, but it didn’t! Please tell me, he is now ’17′ years old but maturity of about 14ish. Would it still be beneficial for him to keep him on Omega 3? Oh and me – 53 years old and I still think I am groovy!
Wonderful day,
Maryann

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Vin Kutty August 21, 2013 at 4:20 pm

Hi Maryann – it’s never too late for you or your son to reduce Omega-6 intake and get your Omega-3 to a good level. Remember both are essential but both can be harmful if taken in excess or the ratio is not right. With today’s diet, virtually everyone is overloaded on Omega-6. Switch to an Omega-3 only supplement and reduce Omega-6 in your cooking oils and by cutting down on foods purchased and consumed outside the house – virtually all of those are cooked in high-Omega-6 oils.

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Jyoti October 29, 2013 at 3:42 pm

I have had psoriasis for 15 years on my elbows, hands and toes in small patches . Three months ago my dermatologist prescribed omega 3-6-9 for me. In the past I have developed a rash on my arms and face . the face rash went away in 10 days but on arms it is still persisting. After reading your article I decided to write and ask you if omega 3-6-9 could be the reason. my dermatologist has now told me to take one capsule on alternate days instead of daily one. Any advice?
thanks

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Vin Kutty October 29, 2013 at 4:58 pm

Hi Jyothi – but it’s possible that your Omega-3-6-9 supplement is causing the rash, but I doubt it. There are SO MANY things that can cause that.

The bigger point is that your dermatologist is almost right. He/she knows that psoriasis is an inflammatory condition. Your diet is probably highly inflammatory, likely high in Omega-6 from vegetable oils and grains and sugar. So suggesting that you take a supplement that already contains pro-inflammatory Omega-6 is not smart and counterproductive. The Omega-6 in your supplement is actually harming you. What you need to do is find and eliminate all sources of Omega-6 in your diet. Even then, you will likely get too much. Eliminate and grains from your diet. Your diet should be mostly vegetable, meats, seafood, eggs and fruits. Cook only with olive oil, coconut oil, butter or ghee. Absolutely no vegetable oils other than the ones I just mentioned. On top of this, take an Omega-3 supplement…about 1000 to 2000 mg of Omega-3 per day. Toss the 3-6-9. Omega-3 is anti-inflammatory. Omega-6 is pro-inflammatory. Omega-9 is neutral and non-essential.

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Rumpulstiltskin November 25, 2013 at 6:17 pm

First of all I just want to say bravo, you’ve proven “A Point”.
But your still slightly wrong. Omega 3-6-9 is there because people are getting the right foods in their body. Further more, Omega 3-6-9 has vitamin E and fish oil, as well as flax seed oil and borage oil. Some people don’t consume the things that Omega 3-6-9 have, so they take the pills I order to gain good health. They say Omega 3-6-9 can also help you gain weight, incase you haven’t noticed by now, there are some skinny people put there, they look like twigs, but all they consume is vegetables, because they are afraid to get too fat. Omega 3-6-9 is there to give them the protein, fiber, calcium and vitamins that they need!!

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Vin Kutty November 25, 2013 at 10:54 pm

Hi Rumpelstiltskin – you missed the complete point of this article. You only need to supplement Omega-3. Omega-6 is found in excess in our diet and any more will cause inflammation. Omega-9 is non-essential because your body can make its own. So that rules out taking Omega-6 and Omega-9. Just supplement with Omega-3, which is what most people are deficient in.

Fish oil supplements have a little vitamin E too. There is no connection between taking Omega-3-6-9 and weight gain/loss. But if you eat large quantities of Omega-6, then yes, you will gain weight, be sluggish, inflamed and depressed.

There is no protein, fiber, calcium or vitamins in Omega-3-6-9 pills.

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Pradeep Gnanaprakasam December 10, 2013 at 3:07 pm

Mr. Kutty,
Loved your article. I was debating the purchase of Triple omega vs Omega 3 and your article helped very much. I am going with the Omega 3 and it is a fraction of the triple omega price.
I have couple of questions, I see all the mention about vegetable oil for omega 6, but we use only canola oil and olive oil. Are we going to miss out on the omega 6 then? And also, does the cooking process kill the presence of these fatty acids in the food.
Thanks again for the insight on triple omega.

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Vin Kutty December 10, 2013 at 5:52 pm

Hi Pradeep – stop buying Canola oil. You are almost certainly over-dosed on Omega-6. So adding a relative high Omega-6 oil like Canola is not helping you. Olive oil is better. Coconut oil is even better.

You can destroy some of the Omega-3s by overcooking and a little of the Omega-6s. Omega-3 is far more sensitive to heat than Omega-6. DO NOT worry about not getting enough Omega-6. You need to be focusing on reducing it, along with sugar and grains.

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Pradeep Gnanaprakasam December 10, 2013 at 7:58 pm

Mr. Kutty,
Thanks for talking the time to reply to my comment. I really appreciate it.
From what I have learnt ( I am not a nutritionist though), Canola oil is better than other oils for cooking and frying because of its low saturated fat content (6%) as opposed to coconut oil which has 92% saturated fat. Olive oil is good with cooking, but not frying I suppose. I agree with you that Olive oil is better but guess you can’t fry in olive oil. Correct me if I am wrong with what I have learnt.

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Vin Kutty December 10, 2013 at 8:31 pm

Hi Pradeep – there is no conclusive evidence that shows saturated fat is harmful. The latest research shows that saturated fat is at worst, neutral. Some additional info here: http://authoritynutrition.com/6-graphs-the-war-on-fat-was-a-mistake/ and here: http://authoritynutrition.com/top-9-biggest-lies-about-dietary-fat-and-cholesterol/

Canola oil has less Omega-6 than many other vegetable seed oils but is still far higher than what I would use to cook. So it is relatively better, but I would still not go near Canola. Yes, you can use olive for frying. I often mix it with coconut oil or butter or ghee.

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Pradeep Gnanaprakasam December 10, 2013 at 9:36 pm

Mr. Kutty,
I really appreciate your valuable time and reply to my questions. I will make the change to my oil as you suggested. The links you suggested was very informative as well. Thanks and have a great day!

Jeff December 21, 2013 at 4:53 am
Vin Kutty December 21, 2013 at 8:23 pm

Hi Jeff – I have lots of thoughts on the matter, most of which are captured in this blog:
http://www.omegavia.com/fish-oil-and-prostate-health/

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Melody Shiroda January 12, 2014 at 2:48 am

I was shocked reading your article. THANK YOU! I tighten, tone and firm with a all natural wrap, BUT then take Omega3,6,9 that defeats the purpose of the wrap. I can not even bare to take the rest of the bottle. No more for me. I even noticed my mom’s tummy. I know why now. I will be spreading the word!!!

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Vin Kutty January 12, 2014 at 6:07 pm

Hi Melody – remember that Omega-6 is an essential fat. You need it to survive. But the point of this blog was to highlight the fact that we already get way too much Omega-6 from our diet and supplementing with more is unhealthy in many ways.

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Susan Schriver January 27, 2014 at 11:53 pm

Hi,

I found this article trying to find information on 3 6 9 oils. I have suffered treatment resistant major depression since age 8 and I’m not almost 50. I’ve tried fish oil regularly over the past ten years because it is supposed to help depression, and about five years ago, I moved from regular fish oil to high epa oil. I finally decided it wasn’t helping and the depression was getting worse as I got older. Ironically, after I stopped taking it, my depression actually got a little better.

I started taking a 3 6 9 oil with flaxseed in it because I read on one forum that it helped someone’s depression, even though I usually like more proof than someone just saying it. However, at this point, I would try anything. This depression has taken all my young years away from me, and I’m desperately trying to salvage at least the latter parts of my life. I’ve tried pretty much everything.

To my surprise, the 3 6 9 oil has helped. It hasn’t cured me by any means, but it does make the difference of whether my next depressive episode means that I’m going to become catatonic in front of a television, wearing the same clothes for 7 days in a row, or if I’m going to be able to drag myself up and take a shower. It makes me function, even if it doesn’t make me joyous.

So, I found this article while I was looking up the differences in fish oil and 3 6 9 oil.

Just to clarify, I have tons of food allergies, so I cook my own food and don’t eat out. I don’t cook with vegetable oils because I don’t think they are safe when heated. Since people supposedly get too much Omega 6 mainly because of vegetable oils, maybe I don’t fit into that critera and was getting too much Omega 3 from the fish oil? I can’t find an answer for that

Also, I know a lot of people who cook their own foods and don’t use vegetable oils or eats out or in, so I don’t think it is totally responsible to make a blanket statement that all of us are automatically Omega 6 overdosed and Omega 3 deficient. Not all of us eat at McDonald’s. In fact, I don’t have a single friend or relative who eats fast food.

So I guess my question is this: Is there any type of condition that can mean a person doesn’t convert the Omega 3 and Omega 6 to Omega 9 properly? That’s not to say it is the Omega 9 is helping me. But something is, and I’m trying to figure it out.

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Vin Kutty January 28, 2014 at 6:57 pm

Hi Susan – thank you for your comment. You’ve struggled with this for a long time. I can only imagine the struggles you’ve had. But there is hope – I’m not sure how much any of these suggestions will help, but I think combined, they will make a difference.

In your case, I doubt that there is an excess Omega-6 problem, but the only way to confirm that is with an Omega-3 index blood test where they measure your Omega-3 to 6 ratio.

Let’s take the subject of Omega-3 and 6 and conversion to Omega-9 off the table since depression is so much more than that. Since high-EPA fish oil didn’t do much, it may just mean that your depression may be caused by other factors. I’m neither qualified nor authorized to dispense medical advice, but there are nutritional approaches to reducing inflammation that may address most of the nutritional factors behind depression.

This blog may be a start: http://www.omegavia.com/supplements-for-depression-anxiety/ but this is about supplements. Even though this website sells supplements, I’ve always said that you cannot supplement your way to good health. For that, you will need a whole food, anti-inflammatory diet.

To start, focus on a diet that consists EXCLUSIVELY of a variety of leafy and starchy vegetables, meats, seafoods, eggs, nuts and fruits. All of it cooked generously in healthy fats like olive oil, coconut oil or grass-fed butter. Note that what’s absent are sugars, juices, grains and dairy. If you are open to this, give one of these dietitians a call to see if they can help: http://authoritynutrition.com/11-paleo-low-carb-registered-dietitians-with-blogs/

I hope this gives you a place to start.

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Susan Schriver January 28, 2014 at 8:58 pm

Thank you so much for the answer.

I have celiacs, so I don’t do grains. Even if they don’t contain gluten, I don’t seem to be able to digest them. I’m also allergic to casein and intolerant to whey, so that leaves out dairy products. I am fructose intolerant, so that also leaves out table sugar, which is almost half fructose, and a lot of fruits and juices that are high in fructose. I am allergic to shellfish, so that leaves out a lot of seafood, and I’m allergic to some meats, the worst of which are pork (I go anaphylactic) , chicken and beef. I can eat bison, fish and while game, such as duck and quail. I mostly stick to bison and fish, because wild game is hard for me to get.

There is also a long list of spices I can’t eat, and unfortunately garlic is on that list. Garlic is supposed to be very good for you.

I wear a bracelet because I’m allergic to acetaminophen and several antibiotics.

I only eat bison, different varieties of fish and vegetables, and mostly the vegetables are raw in a salad with lots of kale and chard. I’m not allergic to nuts, but they are hard for me to digest, so I only eat them occasionally. The only oils I use are coconut oil, ghee, and very rarely, I use home-rendered bison fat if I need to cook with high heat.

So basically, I do eat a fairly strict paleo limited diet out of necessity, and I have to cook all my own food.

I do have another question about fish. The fish oil supplements are from raw fish, yet I hear that instead of supplements, it is best to eat fish. However, when fish is cooked, the heat oxidizes the fat. All the studies that I’ve found have been of fish oil that is raw fish oil. Are there any studies that show cooked fish oil has the same properties and results? I can’t find them in any searches.

Fish oil supplements help my husband’s memory phenomenally. But, he doesn’t get the same result with all the fish we eat, without the supplements, and sometimes we eat only fish for weeks at a time.

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Vin Kutty January 29, 2014 at 7:21 pm

Hi Susan – your diet sounds very healthy, despite the limitations of choice. I still suspect that you may be able to tweak a few things if you work with one of the dietitians I recommended.

Yes, it is certainly better to eat fish than take fish oil supplements. By far! As far as cooking, fish cooks very easily, quickly and at low temperatures. The Omega-3 fats are still intact and not oxidized. I think the freshness of the fish makes more of an impact on the fats.
Most oils have to go through some heating process during the distillation and purification, which I suppose makes them cooked. This is the reason why you can’t find them in searches – they are virtually all ‘cooked.’

Regarding fish consumption and memory, it is possible that the fish being eaten has less Omega-3 than is found in the supplements…but still, I am a little puzzled.

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Diane February 18, 2014 at 8:14 pm

Hi Vin,
Thanks for such an informative article, as well as taking your time to respond to every single one of people’s questions. I’m hoping you can help me decide what to do with the supplements that I’m giving my 11 year old son. He’s been having issues with concentration and focusing at school for a few years now. At home, he struggles alot with his homework. I knew it wasn’t him being lazy or anything like that, since he would cry when he didn’t do good in school and used to tell me that he was trying his best. It used to break my heart to see him struggle so much. I brought him to get evaluated for ADD and they did say that he had a mild case of ADD, which they offered me to put him on medication. I refuse to put him on any type of medication and decided to do my research, I changed his diet and cut off any junk food and processed food. I also read somewhere that the Omega 3-6-9 was beneficial to the brain and would people with ADD. So, I’ve been giving him the Omega 3-6-9. It seems like he’s doing a little better, but it could be a combination of his new diet, the sports that he plays and the extra time that we give him with helping in his homework. After reading your article, I now think that I should stop giving him the Omega 3-6-9 and only give him Omega 3. Do you suggest I just give him the Omega 3. If so, is there a particular brand name that you can recommend for a child with the appropriate Omega 3 or DHA. The one that I’m currently giving him is Natures Plus Animal Parade Omega 3-6-9

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Vin Kutty February 18, 2014 at 11:06 pm

Hi Diane – I can understand why you’re heartbroken about seeing your child struggle, especially if he’s upset at himself for not doing well at school.

We’ll get to Omega-3 in a bit. But both ADD and ADHD can respond well to drastic dietary intervention. I think are doing the right thing by cutting out junk and processed foods. But there may be additional steps you can take here. Cutting out soda, juices, anything with artificial colors, wheat (gluten) and grains may also help. I suggest a Paleo type diet limited to home-cooked whole foods made from vegetables, meats, seafood, eggs, fruits, nuts, eggs and some seeds – that’s it! Nothing more, nothing less. You can have tomatoes but not ketchup. You can have oranges but not OJ. You can have salmon but not breaded fish sticks. You can have eggs but not an Egg McMuffin. You get the idea. There was a recent study from Europe were they limited the diets of kids with ADHD to rice, veggies and turkey for a few weeks and more than two-thirds of them were no longer symptomatic of ADHD. While rice is not very nutrient dense and had the kids stayed on this diet for much longer, they’d have become deficient in several nutrients, what the study shows is that if you limit foods that are harmful (trigger foods), you stand a good chance at fixing this without drugs. Of course, there are kids who do and will needs medication to handle this. I think you should review diet with a lot more vigor.

A multivitamin, an Omega-3 (and not Omega-3-6-9) you may want to try our EPA 500 product or you could try this product from our sister company: http://www.amazon.com/Pharma-Grade-InnovixLabs-Concentrated-Burp-Free-Capsules/dp/B00F5ZV6W6/ and possibly a magnesium supplement (from Jigsaw Health) can help. Make sure he plays outside in he sun a lot during the summer. I’m not a huge fan of multivitamins, but Life Extensions Two Per Day multi is fine if taken at half dose. And please keep us posted about how all this works out. Would love to hear the progress if any.

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BJ February 22, 2014 at 10:43 am

I just bought NOW FOODS Omega 3-6-9 Maybe you can check in to it if its worth it? the concentration of omega 3 is more than 6 and 6 has more than 9 So i guess it should be ok if i take once in a blue moon? like once ever two days? What do you suggest?

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Vin Kutty February 22, 2014 at 7:35 pm

BJ – once you’re done with the bottle you have, get an Omega-3 only product. In the meantime, no harm in finishing the bottle of pills.

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Debi June 6, 2014 at 4:25 pm

Hi Vin,
I’m allergic to fish esp sea food so I get 3 6 9 through cold pressed flax seed oil 1200 mg. I take 2 a day and each soft gel contains 540 mg of omega 3, 132 mg of omega 6, 132 mg of omega 9 and 60 mg of “other” fatty acids. I’ve also been cooking with coconut oil for a number or years. What do you think? Thank You in advance and have a great day.

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Vin Kutty, MS June 6, 2014 at 11:50 pm

Hi Debi – I think you should switch from your flax oil to algae based Omega-3 oils. ALA Omega-3 from flax is not very useful as only about 5% of it is converted to EPA and hardly any of it is converted to DHA.

There are lots of algae Omega-3s out there. It used to be that you could only get algae DHA. But these days, you can get both EPA and DHA from algae. Cut back on Omega-6. More here: http://www.omegavia.com/omega-3-options-for-vegans/

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Sboniso July 2, 2014 at 9:55 am

Hi Mr Kutty – Thanks for the eye opening article, I have just started taking Omega 3, 6 & 9 but I now taken a decision of quitting. Please help me out, if u could advise me as to which supplement should I take, as I am 60kg & aim to gain more weight and muscle (I also attend gym).

Thank u

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Vin Kutty, MS July 3, 2014 at 4:28 am

HI Sboniso – feel free to take any high quality fish oil that does not contain added Omega-6 or Omega-9.

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Sboniso July 3, 2014 at 5:09 am

Many thnx, u ar such a blessing Mr Kutty.

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